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::I question that logic. When I stumbled on this wiki, I was expecting to find quests grouped by which district they were most relevant to, and I had a hard time locating any information because quests just plain weren`t in the category I expected them to be. Like, I knew Glowstick Trails takes place almost entirely in the mines because I was like half-way through it before I started looking it up, and I was befuddled to find out someone apparently thinks it is in Residential district. At the time I attributed the whole thing simply to wiki being in disarray due to having been made based off much earlier game version and not being maintained since, but this clearly isn`t the case.[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 14:23, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

::Maybe we need subgrouping. Group them by the district they actually happen in, then further separate them by how much of Obenseuer player needs to explore before they are available.[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 14:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

::Maybe we need subgrouping. Group them by the district they actually happen in, then further separate them by how much of Obenseuer player needs to explore before they are available. [[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 14:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

:::If you have a better proposal for organization of quest that is consistent in all cases and leaves not exceptional cases, you're free to suggest changes, the best place is the official discord under the #wiki channel where you can discuss with others.[[User:Nextej|Nextej]] ([[User talk:Nextej|talk]]) 15:00, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

:::If you have a better proposal for organization of quest that is consistent in all cases and leaves not exceptional cases, you're free to suggest changes, the best place is the official discord under the #wiki channel where you can discuss with others. [[User:Nextej|Nextej]] ([[User talk:Nextej|talk]]) 15:00, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

::::As I said. Group first by where the majority of quest takes place. If it`s split equally between districts, prefer the one that the quest is given in. Then split each district by "available immediately", "available after X", "available after Y" and so on. I think that would be good. Not really sure about Discord, tho. I`m usually around at odd hours.[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 17:21, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

::::As I said. Group first by where the majority of quest takes place. If it`s split equally between districts, prefer the one that the quest is given in. Then split each district by "available immediately", "available after X", "available after Y" and so on. I think that would be good. Not really sure about Discord, tho. I`m usually around at odd hours. [[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 17:21, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::Sorry for injecting myself into the conversation, but what about a seperate page that is a master "quest tree" to show how they branch from each other? could also help simplify organization if we have some kind of overall look at how each quest is accessed from the previous area/quest. Just a thought, trying to brainstorm alternate organization ideas. [[User:Firebird|-Firebird]] ([[User talk:Firebird|talk]]) 19:58, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::Yeah I thought of having a quest diagram/tree, maybe even on the main page for quests, but the need for a navigation box would still be there. [[User:Nextej|Nextej]] ([[User talk:Nextej|talk]]) 22:00, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::It is a good idea to write down a dedicated page about quests and how they branch from each other so that the game timeline can be better tracked, but this is not an alternative to navbox, this is another neat thing that would be cool to have. The question of arranging quests in the navbox still remains, because, well.. it kinda has to have some semblance of compactness and portability, and yet be laid out in such a way as to not mislead a player. See, on one hand, if we sort quests strictly by district they are in, it leaves unclear just WHEN you can take them. On other hand, if we sort quests strictly by which district needs to be visited for them to become available, it introduces confusion as to which district the quest is actually happening in. It`s an annoying problem.[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 23:30, 15 March 2025 (UTC)

::::::: I wonder if in the game files is a master quest file or something. I'll poke around and see what I can find! maybe some information at least about how quests are triggered, which is a start. [[User:Firebird|-Firebird]] ([[User talk:Firebird|talk]]) 16:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)

:::::::: Nothing easily accessible, like recipes or NPCs. Besides, the main problem here is less "where be new quests" and more "how to we sort ones we already know about".[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 07:55, 17 March 2025 (UTC)

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 ::I question that logic. When I stumbled on this wiki, I was expecting to find quests grouped by which district they were most relevant to, and I had a hard time locating any information because quests just plain weren`t in the category I expected them to be. Like, I knew Glowstick Trails takes place almost entirely in the mines because I was like half-way through it before I started looking it up, and I was befuddled to find out someone apparently thinks it is in Residential district. At the time I attributed the whole thing simply to wiki being in disarray due to having been made based off much earlier game version and not being maintained since, but this clearly isn`t the case.[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 14:23, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
-::Maybe we need subgrouping. Group them by the district they actually happen in, then further separate them by how much of Obenseuer player needs to explore before they are available.[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 14:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
+::Maybe we need subgrouping. Group them by the district they actually happen in, then further separate them by how much of Obenseuer player needs to explore before they are available. [[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 14:26, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
-:::If you have a better proposal for organization of quest that is consistent in all cases and leaves not exceptional cases, you're free to suggest changes, the best place is the official discord under the #wiki channel where you can discuss with others.[[User:Nextej|Nextej]] ([[User talk:Nextej|talk]]) 15:00, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
+:::If you have a better proposal for organization of quest that is consistent in all cases and leaves not exceptional cases, you're free to suggest changes, the best place is the official discord under the #wiki channel where you can discuss with others. [[User:Nextej|Nextej]] ([[User talk:Nextej|talk]]) 15:00, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
-::::As I said. Group first by where the majority of quest takes place. If it`s split equally between districts, prefer the one that the quest is given in. Then split each district by "available immediately", "available after X", "available after Y" and so on. I think that would be good. Not really sure about Discord, tho. I`m usually around at odd hours.[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 17:21, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
+::::As I said. Group first by where the majority of quest takes place. If it`s split equally between districts, prefer the one that the quest is given in. Then split each district by "available immediately", "available after X", "available after Y" and so on. I think that would be good. Not really sure about Discord, tho. I`m usually around at odd hours. [[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 17:21, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
+:::::Sorry for injecting myself into the conversation, but what about a seperate page that is a master "quest tree" to show how they branch from each other? could also help simplify organization if we have some kind of overall look at how each quest is accessed from the previous area/quest. Just a thought, trying to brainstorm alternate organization ideas. [[User:Firebird|-Firebird]] ([[User talk:Firebird|talk]]) 19:58, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
+::::::Yeah I thought of having a quest diagram/tree, maybe even on the main page for quests, but the need for a navigation box would still be there. [[User:Nextej|Nextej]] ([[User talk:Nextej|talk]]) 22:00, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
+::::::It is a good idea to write down a dedicated page about quests and how they branch from each other so that the game timeline can be better tracked, but this is not an alternative to navbox, this is another neat thing that would be cool to have. The question of arranging quests in the navbox still remains, because, well.. it kinda has to have some semblance of compactness and portability, and yet be laid out in such a way as to not mislead a player. See, on one hand, if we sort quests strictly by district they are in, it leaves unclear just WHEN you can take them. On other hand, if we sort quests strictly by which district needs to be visited for them to become available, it introduces confusion as to which district the quest is actually happening in. It`s an annoying problem.[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 23:30, 15 March 2025 (UTC)
+::::::: I wonder if in the game files is a master quest file or something. I'll poke around and see what I can find! maybe some information at least about how quests are triggered, which is a start. [[User:Firebird|-Firebird]] ([[User talk:Firebird|talk]]) 16:52, 16 March 2025 (UTC)
+:::::::: Nothing easily accessible, like recipes or NPCs. Besides, the main problem here is less "where be new quests" and more "how to we sort ones we already know about".[[User:Cytotoxin|Cytotoxin]] ([[User talk:Cytotoxin|talk]]) 07:55, 17 March 2025 (UTC)